What The Heck Is Deuterium (And How Awareness Of It Can Help Transform Your Health) With Prof. Dr. Boros László)

Adiel Gorel is joined by Prof. Dr. Boros László, M.D., Retired Professor of Pediatrics University of California Los Angeles School of Medicine, Harbor-UCLA Medical Center, for an enlightening conversation about deuterium, also known as “heavy hydrogen.” He breaks down the transformative power of deuterium despite the public not knowing that much about it, particularly in treating the many metabolic diseases in the western world today. Prof. Dr. László also explains why excess deuterium can become a serious concern for human health and how it can yield significant biological effects if substituted for regular hydrogen.

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What The Heck Is Deuterium (And How Awareness Of It Can Help Transform Your Health) With Prof. Dr. Boros László

I’m especially excited for this episode because we’re going to learn some fascinating information that many of us may not have been privy to from Dr. László Boros. László, welcome to the show.

Thank you very much for inviting me. Thank you.

László, I have to say, not all my audience come from Silicon Valley, but a large portion of them are because that’s my own background in engineering in Silicon Valley. Even though they are technically savvy in the world of the cell, of our biology, of the mitochondria, many are not. In fact, I was spoken to by one person who had read one of the episodes and said, “I never knew about the mitochondria.” That’s the level that I talk on.

Of course, have listened to you speak and you get into exquisite detail, and we are going to take it there. We are going to get there, deuterium and everything. I had an idea and I wonder if it’s going to be okay with you using this as a, as an opportunity to build from the ground up to maybe tell first, I’m going to ask you about your background. Maybe we can start there. Once we do that, maybe we can literally take people through mitochondria, how it creates ATP, the electron transport chain. Once we establish the basics, then we can talk about deuterium and things of that nature. Does that make sense?

Sure. We might have to talk a little bit more of a lower level just to understand what metabolic water, what life is in general. We’ll cover mitochondria, which is the power plant or the water plant of every living system, and then we can make it a little more sophisticated as far as biology and medicine is concerned. Sure, no problem.

Looking Back To Prof. Dr. László Career Journey

Okay, but before that, I do want to know, I’m very curious, you have very deep expertise. I’ve been I really liked a lot of the stuff that you’ve been saying that I’ve that I was listening to, but if you can tell us about the path that brought you here.

By education, I’m a Hungarian Physician, or a Doctor. This is where I finished my medical school in 1987 in Szeged where Albert Szent-Györgyi, the Vitamin C and the Nobel winner in 1937 for biological oxidation or energy production of cells, as far as biochemistry is concerned, was working. In ’87, I got my medical diploma and then I moved to Germany, then I moved to the United States. First, the Ohio State University, then in 1996, I joined the UCLA faculty, department of pediatrics.

I retired in 2021 as a professor of pediatrics, adjunctive series, which means research and teaching mostly. From there, we did study and formulated many basic understanding of life in general and energy production. It’s practically, if I have to precisely describe what I do, is medical or medicine or biochemistry. That’s the field.

Within that field, I do work with mitochondria and mitochondria uses certain biochemical reactions which we call the TCA cycle or Krebs-Szent-Györgyi cycle, and I work the mitochondrial biochemistry and ATP synthesis and water synthesis processes to understand life and to understand nutrition and lifestyle and disease and health in and within that context. It’s medical biochemistry, a lot of physics, a lot of quantum physics involved, and of course, chemistry. From the bottom up, this is how we build our system. Practically, it’s medicine.

By the way, I do have to make a comment, a visual comment. If you got your medical degree in 1987, obviously you’re not just teaching about life, you must be doing something right because you look a lot younger than your age based on the fact that you got your license. You’re doing something good.

Thank you very much. I actually eat the way you’re supposed to eat when you know a lot about mitochondria, energy, and water production. That can actually give you a younger look, a stronger look, a little bit, I would say compared to your age group, a little bit of a younger feature in that sense. That’s true of almost every aspect of my life.

That is great. Now let’s take our reader from where you consider to be the useful ground zero and build up so then we can get to deuterium eventually, we get to diet, we get to even water. We’ll talk about water that you consume, not that you make, but we’ll talk about that too. Why don’t you take us on this journey?

Truly, that’s the easiest way to cover this topic, to start from bottom up and if you have questions, you can look up some of those details. You can share my email and you can share my website and you can ask me questions in the show or you can ask me questions afterwards. Practically what life is, is practically a very unique water production system in our cells. Actually, every life is practically producing a certain water which is we call the matrix or the mitochondrial water.

We produce this from the oxygen and from air. That’s why we breathe in and out air, to use the oxygen for this water production process. We use the hydrogen or the protons for this water from food. We actually use and eat food just for those little hydrogen atoms to produce this water. This is true of every living organism. You start your life when you start producing this water. You end your life when you stop producing this water, and every living creature, species, have to produce this water with various chemical properties which we may not cover in full details. Practically, life is producing this this water. This is why we breathe.

I’ll stop you right here because this is already a novel notion to hear about that we breathe oxygen, we eat and the food, we use the food to get hydrogen or protons, I should say. We use the hydrogen and the oxygen and we actually create water deep in the cell at the level of what we call the mitochondria, which you’ll explain what it is.

That’s right. Now one thing you need to know about water is that it’s H2O, so it’s 2 hydrogens and 1 oxygen. They are bound with covalent bonds, and when water is formed with oxygen and hydrogen, for one mole of water, you produce about 280 kj/mol energy. It’s actually a very energy efficient process to produce water. It’s actually explosive in nature. That’s why hydrogen gas is so explosive because if it actually, if there is a spark somewhere and it actually catches flame, it would explode, hydrogen gas.

That’s why you can’t really switch on the light when you smell gas in your house because hydrocarbon carries the hydrogen and the oxygen is in the air. As soon as you spark or activate oxygen, which mitochondria does with this electron transport chain, you actually cause an explosion. Now in mitochondria, this process is controlled.

That’s why you can produce energy in a constant basis using the same reaction, which in nature would be explosive but in mitochondria because you control the flow of electrons, the flow of protons, and the flow of oxygen in a controlled manner. You can actually use this beneficially to generate energy and you power your life. In the meantime, while oxygen and proton are getting ready to meet, we use protons to turn these nanomotors in the mitochondria which produce ATP.

How Electron Transport Chain Works

Okay, so I’m going to take us one step back. For the for the casual reader, our cells have organelles inside of them, many actually, for many cells, and they’re called mitochondria. Some of you know it, some of you may have never heard about it. Mitochondria, we know it as the energy production unit within our cells and the way it’s happening is through an absolutely fascinating which sounds like science fiction process called the electron transport chain. Maybe you can explain it in more detail.

Thank you for slowing me down. Mitochondria is practically to control this process because of the certain parts of the mitochondria. These are very small cell organelles, it’s more like your gas furnace in the house, which can control oxygen and the hydrocarbon the gas burning and there is an electric spark there, there’s a flame that ignites this whole process. That’s practically the mitochondria, but it’s a very small cell organelle to control the reaction of oxygen and hydrogen.

Control this so you enjoy the heat or the production of heat is what provides your body to function and to warm your cells and those chemical reactions to take place in a thermally controlled environment. In the meantime, you produce this water which is getting recycled in your body and you use this for as a solvent for biochemical reactions. Mitochondria controls this entire process. Each cell contains mitochondria in our body and some contain more, your liver cells contain about 2,000 to 2,500 mitochondria and your cartilage cells only contain 300.

Based on how much energy your cells need to produce, that determines how many mitochondria you have in your cell. Your heart cells and your liver cells contain the most mitochondria. Those are a few thousand per cell. It has two membranes. The membranes are to separate certain compartments in our in our cells and in the mitochondria, there is an inner space we call the mitochondrial matrix. It has a membrane which is folded very highly and there is an outer membrane or a membrane that is outside of this compartment.

In and between those two membranes we have this intermembrane space and this is what protons or hydrogen accumulate before water is made. That’s more like the fuel tank of your mitochondria to produce water eventually. That’s what happens in your furnace, you produce water. That’s the steam that comes out of the chimney and that’s the vapor that actually is the result of the oxygen and the proton reaction. Gases like carbon dioxide is the side product of this process because carbon dioxide is produced because that’s where the hydrogens are stolen by oxygen to produce water.

That’s the exhaust fume or exhaust gas. We also produce carbon dioxide which we exhale as a result of this oxidation process. This is an internal combustion engine. For mechanically savvy people this could be easier to understand. It’s practically an internal combustion engine where we use oxygen from air, hydrogen from food which is our fuel or hydrocarbon or gasoline, and we use the electron transport chain to activate oxygen and run this whole process to charge oxygen so this water production is continuous and produces and yields energy in a constant basis.

Let’s talk about the electron transport chain. Let’s go into a little more detail on what that is and the component it includes.

Sure. Actually the more difficult atom of water is the hydrogen or the proton because it’s smaller, it’s very reactive, and it carries an electron that has to be taken off before the proton, the positively charged proton, is released into the intermembrane space. In the inner membrane of the mitochondria there are protein complexes, and we just name them after their numerical order complex I, II, III, IV, which has a little cytochrome c which helps the electric spark the electrons to jump on oxygen.

These protein complexes harvest the hydrogen, the proton, and they steal, they keep the electron and like a wire, they actually from complex I, they are wired to complex IV. It’s not really a wiring process, it’s more like a tunneling process because those protein spaces are so small that only an electron can fit through there. It’s practically like an electric wire which is really truly very capable of conducting electricity and tunneling electrons from complex I to complex IV. Complex IV is where water is produced for this whole energy yielding energy producing process.

In the meantime, these complexes, complex I, II, III, and which we call cytochrome c, it actually helps this electron to reach complex IV in a controlled basis. By the time the proton comes back where the electron was stolen from, actually there is an oxygen and water can be formed. The molecular and the atomic and the subatomic structure of water is restored and there are no extra electrons, there are no extra protons, and there are no extra oxygen which behave in a living system in a harmful way.

Hyperoxide is dangerous because it modifies molecules. Protons as reducing agents are also harmful, extra protons, which are not really used as in the form of water and at the end of this electron this energy producing mechanism or process, it can actually modify chemical structures. Electrons can charge molecules in a certain way that they have different phs, they are making molecules more reactive. The best way of managing our energy production process is when we have a head count and that’s in equilibrium or in a in a balanced manner.

We actually produce water from all the oxygen and all the protons and all the electrons that we gain through digestion, through harvesting hydrogen from food or from these organic molecules like carbohydrates, fat, and amino acids. We just need those protons to be attached to oxygen and energy produce.

The electron transport chain, if you look at the chemistry of this reaction you actually use two H2 gases and one O2 gas. It’s H2 is the hydrogen gas, O2 is the oxygen gas. To produce one molecule of water, you have to use H2O, but O has to be balanced meaning that you have to use two H2 gases and one oxygen molecule and four electrons to make this process balanced.

The correct equation is that 2H2 + O2 = 2H2O and the electron and 280 kj/mol energy and there are no loose protons, electrons, and oxygen in this system. This is what the electron transport chain helps really truly to balance out because it keeps the players separate, yet when you do a head count, they are balanced out. At the end, all find their fit and there are no extra oxygen, there are no extra protons, and there are no extra electrons.

How Mitochondria Create The Energy Called ATP

Somebody might ask, “I heard about the mitochondria creating energy and it’s called ATP.” Can you talk about that?

Yeah, so let’s just one step back, then once this process is balanced out, this water production process, then you have the most efficient antioxidant, which is proton or hydrogen, you have the most efficient oxidizing agent is which is oxygen, and you have sufficient number of electrons to produce the balanced amount of water and water only, no hydrogen peroxide in the mitochondria. Now the mitochondria is very tricky in that sense that water production only produces heat. It’s the form of heat energy, but to run your muscle cells, you run to pump ions, you need mechanical energies.

You need certain things to turn, to move, to be able to pump ions and to keep gradients and pump out calcium, for example, if we talk about heart muscle. It’s practically a mechanical and a chemical energy balancing system. The mitochondria invented a very interesting system to produce this rotating protein idea is and that’s practically when the proton sits in the intermembrane space, the way to come back into the mitochondrial matrix, they have to power a nanomotor or a hair dryer in that sense.

It’s not powered by electrons but protons, but practically there is a current, a proton current from the outside of the intermembrane space into the inside because there are a lot more protons outside simply because the protons inside are consumed as water and recycled, so there’s al always a surplus of protons on the outside layer, about 250 protons versus 1 proton in the matrix because of this continuous water production and protons are consumed.

By the time the proton comes back into the matrix, it has to travel around a rotating surface protein or the one of the amino acids, it’s a asparagine and that you actually bind these positively charged protons and make them turn these nanomotors and these nanomotors by force, they force inorganic phosphate onto ADP, so ATP or adenosine triphosphate is produced using the mechanical force that protons can perform while they are trying to get into the mitochondrial matrix.

That adds to another 20 kj/mol energy in the form of rotational energy to supply your cells with ATP, which is then used for many chemical reactions and also to power nanomotors in your system that pump ions. It practically turns the proton energy into a mechanical energy so you can move your muscles. You not only producing heat, you are not only a gas furnace, but using those gas molecules, you also run a treadmill which are these little proteins, nanomotors, 5 nanometers, about 350,000 nanometers spin in each side of the mitochondria.

It’s practically 1 million range as far as how many mitochondrial how many nanomotors are in a mitochondria. It’s called complex V or ATP synthase, which was discovered by Dr. Paul Boyer, and he got the Nobel Prize I believe in 1992 or 1993 for the discovery of these ATP synthase nanomotors and he was at UCLA. I knew him very well so we and he was always talking about these rotating enzymes which are very critical for energy production. That’s some 30 years discovery in the sense that now we understand how ATP is produced in most details.

Not all details yet but I think we now have a very clear idea if we go from the bottom up that simply our mitochondria as small intracellular compartments, they are able to use oxygen and react it with hydrogen to produce water, that one of the energy sources in the form of heat. These little devices are also able to use the mechanical energy of a proton trying to solve this gradient issue.

It’s like a basketball game when you try to shoot and somebody runs away with the basket meaning that the proton always trying to find an oxygen which is available for a reaction because the previous oxygen was taken as water. Protons are always running after oxygen and oxygens are always running after protons and the electrons are the little ping-pong balls or the parts of this whole system that connects these two larger atoms to make water and generate energy for us.

Pretty much this is how much we understand in lay terms about this this whole system. There are again many other details that we may not want to go into, peroxisomal fat oxidation and so on. Those we probably are going to talk about but what we really need to understand about this system is that this is actually a tunneling system. It can only tunnel electrons, it can only tunnel protons, and that’s it. We cannot really tunnel anything that is bigger than an electron or a proton in these proteins.

These are actually defined by genes, these protein structures, that are carried by the mitochondria. These are the mitochondrial DNA, it codes only 13 proteins and these 13 proteins are related to this complex I, II, III, IV, V, ATP synthase, and also the NADH reductase oxidase enzymes, these stealing protons from the system. It really cannot adopt to anything bigger than a proton and anything bigger than an electron.

We are locked into a quantum physics or quantum constant mass range and that’s the mass of a Dalton mass of a proton, which is I think it’s 1 or 2 x 10(-27) kg. Nothing bigger can go through these tunnels. That’s why in chemistry we call this tunneling because it’s practically like a train tunnel, an airplane cannot go through there, so it’s practically designed for protons, this whole system, and electrons. The electron transport chain is very critical for this whole system simply because it provides the electric charge, negative electric charge for these positively charged molecules to be able to form water on a constant basis.

These proteins are carried by the mitochondria and we do not really have alleles that can modify this system because only mothers or only females or only mothers carry mitochondrial genes because the sperm mitochondria are all destroyed at the time of fertilization. Meaning that this whole mitochondrial circle DNA inheritance of this proton and electron tunneling system is not evolutionary in the sense that it’s actually given like natural phenomenon or created, whichever you prefer, I trust you can decide.

It’s practically just a non-evolutionary footprint of life as it evolves. It’s probably adaptation is better to use in biology because this system cannot evolve and cannot adapt and it cannot adopt this proton and electron tunneling system in the mitochondria it cannot adopt and cannot evolve into anything. That’s why our nutrition is so important we provide protons for this tunneling scenario in our mitochondria if you know what I’m talking about.

We are pretty much trapped into a like metabolic tunneling process in the mitochondria that cannot be changed in any way. We cannot really adopt to processed food and refined food with deuterium, which we’re going to cover I guess in a minute. That’s the best way I can describe this system. I’m not sure how easy this system is to understand but I think in principles, we have to mention these so you have some grabbing points where you can do your own studies and explore more about this system.

I think this was a very good explanation of the system and I think for somebody who is just being introduced to even the notion that we have something called mitochondria, this sounds almost like a Disney fairy tale or a science fiction movie that you go inside the mitochondria of which we have so many, and then you have the electron transport chain and the nanomotors and the protons are spinning and you create water and you take ADP and you make it into ATP thanks to the energy of the spin. It sounds absolutely fascinating and yet this goes inside our body trillions of times right while we are speaking here.

Yeah, well indeed you produce using this process about 2,300 gallons of water each day and you recycle this water in your mitochondria. It’s about 7.5 cubic meters of water. If you calculate how much ATP you synthesize a day, that’s equal with your body weight in like when you do like a comfortable lifestyle, no hard exercise, but daily activities. It’s about the mass is about your body weight.

If you do these calculations which we did many times, that’s where you end up. It’s about 7.5 cubic meters of water that you produce every day. By the way, this is how much blood you circulate through your heart, and these are in a equilibrium the oxygen consumption and the water production is in equilibrium with the mitochondria. That’s why your blood circulation is so fast and so vast and when you add up how much water flows through your heart every day, it’s about it’s also about 7.5 cubic meters of blood that flows through your heart.

That’s how much water is produced in and within your cells. You don’t see it, apparently, because it’s recycled through biochemical reactions in the Krebs-Szent-Györgyi or the TCA cycle but it’s a very dynamic, energetically very efficient, very well controlled, and a sophisticated fairy tale system like a sci-fi movie in that sense. Actually, it’s real. That’s how we that’s how we operate and we maintain this process as long as we live. Our offsprings or our children we give this ability to produce this metabolic water and that’s how we give life to a new offspring. And that’s true in biology everywhere. That’s what life is, this water production system using protons, oxygen, and electrons.

Understanding Deuterium, The Heavy Hydrogen

So the normal proton has a mass you said 1 x 10^(-27) kg, but there are cases in nature where the proton will be double in mass. That’s because there is another non-electric charge bearing particle and then the combination you call deuterium. How can deuterium disrupt that delicate system of nanomotors and the electron transport chain? How can it even find its chain? How can it find its way into the mitochondria in the first place and doesn’t it get stopped at the gate with a filter?

Actually, this is the most fundamental question that medicinal chemistry is trying to solve. Indeed, let’s talk about deuterium or deuterons a little bit. In the atomic quantum realm of life for that matter each atom has an isotope. Isotope we call with the same number of protons. The number of protons in any element defines what that atomic particle is.

In the case of hydrogen, the nucleus of hydrogen is a proton which is a stable atomic unit the smallest one it’s one Dalton by consensus but it’s actually 1.67 x 10^(-27) kg and there is a 3 x 10^(-27) kg unit and that’s we call deuterium because it’s twice as large, twice as heavy because besides the proton it also has a neutron in its nucleus. It has two particles. It’s so dramatic, it makes this atomic pair so dramatically different it actually got the name of deuterons or it’s a Greek word for the second element.

Protium is the first element and deuterons are the second element and because hydrogen was generated from hydros or water in the old Greek scientific word, they used it hydrogen the atomic form. Actually the nucleus of this is a proton which is the first element and deuterons which is the second element. It got its own name. It’s a dramatic change when you look at the smallest quantum physics type of thinking and particles nothing in nature happens in a continuous way.

There is always quantum involved and that’s true of the Planck constant which is the smallest energy which is not matter for that. I think it’s in the -34th joule per second so it’s a very small amount of energy but it’s a unit, it’s an energy quantum and that’s true of matter which is proton is the smallest stable quantum of it and in in the stable atomic realm, the second one called deuterium is twice as heavy, twice as large when you look at the nucleus.

Now because we are talk about tunnels, because we talk about proton tunnel tunnels in mitochondria, it really cannot handle deuterons efficiently, that means deuterons will clog up the proton tunnel process and if it makes it to a nanomotor under certain circumstances because membranes can be damaged, there are certain electromagnetic changes that can change membrane size permeability. By the time deuterons reach the nanomotors because twice is their weight these nanomotors some of them spin the fastest we heard or studied are in the range of like 9,000 rotations per minute up to 100,000 rotations per minute.

If you imagine your car running 4,500 rotations per minute, that’s already pretty fast, and if you talk about the Formula 1 race car, that’s about 11,000 rotations per minute and you’re running over 300 km/h on a race track. Some of these nanomotors, especially in ciliate bacteria, they run about 100,000 rotations per minute. It’s a very high velocity system. You can imagine if you throw all of a sudden, a twice as heavy particle and replace exchange a hydrogen with a deuterium or a proton with a deuteron, it’s going to break this system because it becomes unbalanced it start stuttering and it falls apart.

For this reason, our biochemistry and practically our own biology is designed entirely to protect these nanomotors through the microbiome, through glycolysis, through peroxisomal beta-oxidation, it’s practically our most valuable real energy efficient units are mitochondria and these nanomotors. Our nutrition, your biochemistry, biochemical reactions are designed to remove deuterons from food or the proton source or from the fuel before it gets into the mitochondria.

Now if we keep overloading system this system with high deuterium food, sooner or later these barrier functions, these barrier mechanisms will be compromised and more and more mitochondria will get into the more and more deuterons will get into the mitochondria and more and more mitochondria will get damaged. Unfortunately, most of them by end of life suffer permanent damage and for that matter we cease life in that sense, meaning that we are not able to support our energy production needs and we die.

As long as we can through low deuterium, grass-fed, natural fat source to supply as many protons we can into this system then healthier and longer and better quality of our life is. Practically, this is what is at stake, these protium or proton deuteron ratios what get into the mitochondria passing through all these surveillances.

These scavenging mechanisms that their only purpose is to remove deuterons from food, attach them to cytoplasmic water, not mitochondrial water, cytoplasmic water, and that cytoplasmic water can be shipped out of the cell back into the circulation and urine will excrete it and body fluids will excrete and feces will excrete deuterons. Practically our digestive system, our metabolism is cut out to control deuterium that can actually reach these nanomotors which is our most valuable organs.

A Closer Look Into Fats, Sugar, And Healthy Diet

I would like to step back. You already have alluded to that if we eat in a certain way, we can eat deuterium, I don’t want to say deuterium depleted but, in a way, low deuterium foods sounds like it would be beneficial. Now you mentioned in passing high fat, grass-fed, can you go into a little more detail about foods in general and the whole spectrum of food including fruits and veggies and then the bad food, the way we talk about them and how they stack on the scale.

This is actually how tricky mitochondria is because mitochondria not only uses its own water but it also produces its own fuel in the form of fat. That gets deposited into animal fat. The reason how this happens is that as I told you, mitochondria is able to produce deuterium free water or very low deuterium metabolic matrix water through the process, these little revolving doors that don’t allow deuterium to come into the matrix but protons only because of this tunneling system.

Interesting as it is, the TCA cycle, the citrate cycle, uses this deuterium depleted or deuterium free water to produce the first metabolite of the TCA or the Krebs-Szent-Györgyi cycle which is called citrate or citric acid. We also call the citrate cycle. It’s produced with this deuterium depleted, so very heavily deuterium depleted water or deuterium free water, citrate, because that’s the proton that is used for citrate synthesis, is actually always deuterium depleted.

This citrate, some of this citrate is shipped out of the mitochondria and this is how fatty acids are synthesized. Actually, the source of fat in nature is always deuterium depleted water based mitochondrial citric acid, isocitrate, and ketoglutarate. Meaning that you can actually use only mitochondrial substrates to produce fat. For this reason, if things go well, if you don’t feed animals with food other than their natural food, grass fed animals with grains or certain artificial food, they will produce their body fat with low deuterium matrix water in their own mitochondria and this is what we going to eat and it’s all deuterium depleted.

Animal fat, if it’s grass fed, is always deuterium depleted and more fatty that food is, bone marrow, brain, interiors, visceral fat, more deuterium depleted it is, and this is the most protective of the carnivore or the meat eater mitochondria. We are carnivores and we are meat eaters, so practically that’s how we can actually prevent or protect our mitochondria nanomotors, to eat high fat containing grass fed animal-based food sources. This is actually the new US food pyramid, more fatty, more adipose, more ketogenic diets. That’s what we call ketogenic diet when you burn fat when you eat fat mostly for producing this deuterium depleted water, matrix water.

Now sugars, which are carbohydrates, they contain deuterium from environmental water which is about 155 ppm parts per million, which is fairly high, those are destroying our mitochondria even though glycolysis is there to protect mitochondria. If you overload the system with too much sugar, with too much high fructose corn syrup, with too much processed food, refined food, glyphosate toxins, you name it, they all compromise this deuterium depletion process into the mitochondria and prevent these nanomotors, they actually interfere with this process. You encounter diseases earlier, those are metabolic diseases that are related to mitochondria dysfunctions in our cells and in our organs and you can develop all diseases because of this deuterium overload that comes from the environment.

Okay, so we talked about fat coming from grass-fed and I will even add grass-finished because there is a process, you let the animal eat grass and then in the last three months you stuff it with grain to fatten it but no, a grass-fed grass-finished. That’s one source, that’s fat. We also need protein. What about protein sources?

It’s balance. Meat has certain amount of fat and a certain amount of proteins and also a little bit of sugar. If you look at the muscle actin, myosin, and all other proteins that are involved embedded in the membranes of muscle cells and in the ligaments and cartilage and so on, you can also find amino acids and proteins that you can digest in your digestive system and with the help of your microbiome and with the help of your enzymes, digestive enzymes, you can actually slice these proteins and obtain your amino acids.

Some of them are essential amino acids like phenylalanine, methionine, and so on, but others you can produce in your own biochemical networks like glutamine and those are non-essential. Practically from sugar, from lactic acid, everything that is in food and not fat based or not hydrocarbon in that sense because the difference between carbohydrates and hydrocarbons is that fat contains mostly hydrogen and carbons. It produces twice the energy as when you burn carbohydrates. It’s because it has it’s much more saturated with protons and we need protons for this oxygen driven water production process that produces heat for us.

That’s why fat is so much more efficient producing heat and energy in our cells because it’s more saturated with hydrogens. Carbohydrates are half saturated with hydrogens and half saturated with oxygen. That’s molecular oxygen not from air but from food and we really don’t need that for our energy production processes that oxygen is in the way. It also has high deuterium simply because it comes from food, fruits, and the fruits are not nutrients or not our nutrients it’s not those are not nutritious for us because those are there for the microbiome to proliferate and produce stool where the seeds are delivered to different locations.

Actually, fruits are functional food, so they serve the tree to carry the seeds away from the tree so actually the trees can propagate themselves. Those are for the microbiome, carbohydrates are not for us. We shouldn’t really consume any carbohydrates. Yet, it’s very interesting that fat itself, so even high fat food like bone marrow, brain, interiors, visceral fat, those fat pools have triglycerides and if you look at triglycerides, they have a short sugar molecule which is called glycerol and glycerol can be used for gluconeogenesis in the liver.

We can produce our own sugar from fat through gluconeogenesis in the liver. We really don’t need sugar or carbohydrates to eat. We need proteins, we need fat, and our liver is designed those biochemical reactions to maintain the appropriate physiological balance for our brain function, for example, and for heart muscle functions. Heart uses 80% adipose or fatty acids, and the brain can use ketone bodies and fat for energy production but it needs 25% of glucose simply because there are so many neurotransmitters produced that they have to have an anabolic substrate or sugar to produce some of those neurotransmitters.

It’s all balanced out. It’s a very tricky game in a way to understand exactly how food and how nutrition and how food source is designed as far as deuterium content that defines our species, how much deuterium what’s our deuteronome or what’s our deuterium map in that sense. Sure enough, water and food have to be controlled with the least deuterium to get in our system to protect our nanomotors because we don’t have a long gut. We don’t have a gut to consume and digest plant-based food. The animals do it for us, the big herbivores and then as carnivores, we can very well just live off of meat and interior and fat sources but that’s practically to control deuterium that gets in our body.

Vegetarian Diet Vs. Grass-Fed Meat Diet

Let’s say that somebody is reading this and says, “I’m actually a vegetarian or vegan. I eat very clean, I eat vegetables, organic vegetables, I eat some fruit.” What I’m hearing here says that I’m eating all the wrong stuff. What would you say to that person?

First of all, I have to be clear, if you eat only vegetables and fruits without fat, without ketones, you probably have two years to live. We don’t survive on just the vegetarian or the vegetative part of plants. We can’t use those. To survive on vegetarian food, you have to eat seeds as well. Those contain fat. Those replace or attempt to replace the fat you need to consume for mitochondrial and heart muscle functions. Meaning that you cannot really have a vegetarian diet without fatty seeds.

Some of the plants do have like avocado and nuts, those are and peanuts and walnuts and those are actually 60%, 80% fat. That’s the only way you can survive on a vegetarian diet, make no mistake about it. If somebody tells you they only eat clean vegetables and fruits, they are not going to be talking to you after two years because they would die and unfortunately, there are some examples of this out there in the world wide web where they tried but couldn’t make it.

For that matter, seeds are essential, and even if you talk to a Hindu monk who live on a vegetarian diet, they still milk the holy cows, meaning that they have to have some animal fat. They eat eggs, or they eat they have to eat some a fat, either lots of seeds or they have to have some animal products in the form of eggs or milk.

You can survive indeed, and even you can have a I would say quality life, make no mistake about it, but your microbiome has to adopt to your vegetarian diet with the seed, nuts, and the limited animal adipose products or fat products like milk and certain dairy and you name it, but that has to be part of your diet. Otherwise, we cannot survive just on the vegetative part of plants or the vegetation without seeds and some animal products.

Okay, now assuming somebody knows that wisdom and they eat a so-called balanced vegetarian diet with the right amount of nuts, is it generally an inferior diet to what you were talking about in the first place, which is grass-fed meat and fat?

We don’t need fibers from plants. Our mucosal cells produce about 30 grams of fiber each day. We don’t need plant fibers. The tricky part about this system is that even though they eat a balanced plant-based diet, it has a lot of toxins. They go to the toilet 2 or 3 times a day and we actually have predators or carnivores that adopted to the plant or the vegetarian lifestyle, those are the chimpanzees they are genetically very similar to us.

They actually produce about a kilograms of feces each day. Meaning that their diet is simply and they had to develop a 10 meters long of colon to be able to process all that food and produce. Of course, you can adopt, you can survive on these scenarios, but you’re still going to protect your nanomotors, you’re still going to get rid of toxins and deuterium and for that, you have to develop a big belly. You probably saw chimpanzees in the zoo, they all have big bellies just like the orangutans and also like the gorillas.

Yeah, they are strong animals but their anatomy had to change simply because they changed their diets. Their bowel habits are very different the efficiency how they digest food is very bad, I’m sure you know that. There’s a cost to it. It’s a lot of toxins, leaky gut syndrome, and you may not be as efficient producing energy from the same amount of food that carnivores are able to. You don’t have to change your anatomy or body size and that comes with it and that’s practically an hour-long conversation how this is possible. The bottom line is that you have to change certain life habits and digestive system to be able to survive on those non-carnivore vegetarian diets.

By the way, the name that was given to fat being a little bit unfortunate because it coincides when kids look at each other, “You’re fat.” The way fat has a connotation. “I don’t want to be fat, I want to be thin.” Thin is good, fat is bad. Indeed, for decades we had the notion, I mean they just inverted the food pyramid, but until then, the food pyramid went by “fat is bad.” We had literal decades exactly around the time you got your phd and on where low-fat, no-fat was hailed as the holy grail.

If you look at the health population statistics in the US now, the sixteen years old population, half of them are diabetic. 77% of them are unable to join the force simply because they are unhealthy. They are not healthy enough. There’s a lot of chronic diseases, cancer, young age, and nutrition is a big part of this simply because fat is actually good. Actually, fat is the only deuterium depleted natural grass fed fat animal fat source is your fuel. That’s your nutrition. Everything else is from the medical biochemistry point of view is bologna.

It’s actually it would just make you sick. That’s the disease epidemics in the United States. About over 70% of US population have some form of a chronic disease and that can be eczema, those can be skin conditions, irritable bowel syndrome, Crohn’s disease, obesity, fatigue, Parkinson’s, Alzheimer’s, autism. You have a list to pick from. It’s practically a very diseased population using not the appropriate diet.

Where Does Dairy And Dessert Fit Into The Picture

Looking at what we are talking about here, low-deuterium and the best sources of food, where does dairy fit into the picture?

We shouldn’t be consuming other species milk products. Meaning that those are very allergenic, they contain a lot of proteins that are really not our own. They are also high in sugars, meaning that fat sugar or lactose, you should be intolerant of it by the age of three years of age. You shouldn’t be eating or drinking those because these enzymes are inducible that these are actually very energy full and sugar loaded products.

If you want to eat dairy, you’re probably better off if you eat hard cheeses they are aged and highly processed from that point and butter and ghee that only has the fat part of milk which is non allergenic and produces lot of metabolic water in your system but it has to have a certain process to harvest this ketone part or not the sugar compartment or not the proteins or the peptides that are actually found in milk.

Those are very efficient in like promoting growth. If you think of your own like when you were a baby in the first year while you were actually breast fed, you tripled your body size. You grow from 3 kilograms to 9 kilograms. That’s what milk does to you. It’s still doing the same when you are adult but actually it does it in a more tricky way. It’s really not food for us. If you are into dairy of some sort, then hard cheese and aged cheese products or ghee with very high fat content you might be able to have a better nutritional goal but milk is not for us.

Butter, and some people would say, “I have the highest quality butter, it’s from cows in the German Alps.” Butter is used in a lot of cooking. Would you say that beef tallow would be a better way to go?

Yeah, in fact it is. I don’t have any disease. I can eat butter or like hard cheese. I actually like butter and hard cheese with my steak. Cheese is more like a delicacy for us. Butter and ghee, if it’s a good grass fed source, I use it sometime. We also have some berries as dessert, meaning those are low in deuterium, low in sugar. We use little bit of honey if we want to sweeten things.

You have to decide what’s your main nutrient or nutritional idea and then you have these little delicacies and make these more variable so more appealing in that sense and more diverse as far as taste is, but actually a grass fed animal’s meat or interiors are just as tasty as any spiced, processed or farm raised meat products. You have to spice them so they taste like because these animals when they grass fed, when they feed, when they are out in the pasture, they consume 200 to 300 different herbs from the grassland and that’s what they use to season their own body parts and that’s what we eat. Actually, it’s very tasty. Other than salt, you don’t want to use anything else and you shouldn’t when you eat a good grass fed steak.

When it comes to fruit as dessert, berries?

Berries are indeed.

Mango would probably not be a very good example. It’s very high in sugar.

Yeah, on my website which is LaszloGBoros.com, there is a food pyramid with the deuterium data on it. You can go to my website and there’s a lot of information about mitochondria, which we covered here, and there’s also a lot of information about this new US food pyramid that is twisted back the right way it should be and you can actually check the deuterium content.

Actually, it’s interesting because health secretary Kennedy and Dr. Oz they just announced that US hospitals will not get federal funding, Medicare and Medicaid if they serve processed food for the patients. Meaning that they have to use real food and they put a picture on it and I made Grok the AI to calculate the deuterium content of the new hospital food in the US and it came out 134 ppm. It’s way below the 150, 160 ppm of fruit and grains. It’s in the right direction. It could be better a little bit, but we are heading to the right direction.

Deuterium Levels Depending On Your Location

What about the water we drink? I understand that on the scale of the planet the deuterium content of the water changes based on your latitude. That actually makes a lot of sense because near the equator or at very sunny latitudes, you’ll explain it better than me but you can tolerate higher deuterium and indeed the water is higher. When you get higher up in latitude into the colder countries, deuterium is lower in the water. Can you talk about all of that and as an auxiliary question, should we bother getting deuterium depleted water and incorporate it into what we drink?

The last question is the easiest to answer because yes, if you drink water, not a whole lot of it, you have to drink water to kill your thirst. It’s bullshit or bologna to drink 2 or 3 gallons of water a day. The water industry is trying to sell you something that you don’t really need. You should drink just as much water as necessary to keep your thirst down and if it’s only 2, 3 , 4 or not at all, you’re still okay.

I maybe had one cup of water today and a coffee in the morning. It’s less than half a liter of water that I drank today and I’m still fine and that’s practically how it should be. Indeed, water is not there to drink, water is to be incorporated in your natural body functions and you have to drink when you need to drink and you have to wait when you get thirsty a few minutes to see if your antidiuretic hormone is able to compensate your body fluids because drinking water is a very dangerous source of deuterium for the reasons that you described.

If it’s environmental water or it’s from the evaporation, it can range from 155 ppm which is oceanic water and the highest in our planet. As you move inland and as you move higher and you move Norther, then because heavy water or semi heavy water is less able to fractionate or get into the vapor phase because it’s heavier and it has different electrophysical characteristics than in the vapor and in the rain and in the drinking water deuterium is getting less and less.

Inland, higher altitude and up north, those are the deuterium depleting geographical parameters that that you need to use. If you have to drink then you would drink rainwater in I would say in a temperate climate like where we are in Europe. You want to drink rainwater and that’s what even old scriptures and writings recommend besides the milk fat and oils which are low in deuterium which we covered already. Practically, 125 ppm water which is deuterium depleted and I would say it’s still very affordable if you drink it only for killing your thirst.

Again, this is just my own idea so it’s not recommendation, but I wouldn’t drink anything that is above 125 ppm if I have to drink and I would say that’s a comfortable margin. You can actually drink 105 ppm if you are more into the recreational low deuterium like fluid intake, make your soup of that, but deuterium depleted water is always a good idea indeed.

There is deuterium in depleted water that’s been sold. For example, by Light Water as an example, they actually get it down to 10 ppm but of course you don’t drink it straight, you put a little bit and then you put the regular water and it dilutes it to maybe 125. Does that make sense?

Yeah, that’s right. Yeah, you dilute it and again, you can dilute it to certain levels. That’s why they sell low deuterium like 5 or 10 ppm because then you just have to use a very little of it to make your water and drinks and soups and whatever you want.

Would you do it? Would you think that that’s a good idea for us to do on ongoing basis?

That’s funny because I really don’t drink a whole lot of water so I would rather pee get a piece of a bacon. I eat my water. I actually walk with the doggy every day, about two hours, and I still don’t drink a whole lot of water. If I do, maybe 120 ppm or below in that range. Again, if you are under a medical surveillance or medical treatment, then you may want to consult Dr. Somlyai who has a great deal of experience and knowledge of how low your deuterium drinks should be and how much you should drink.

That’s totally his territory. I don’t treat patients directly. I’m a teacher scientist and an editor and a review and I do the science part of this and these shows to actually explain some of the basic biochemistry. Just so people can start stepping on those strong and unquestionable foundations in quantum physics and mitochondrial physiology to generate their own health or restore their own health or maintain their own health. It’s practically a nutrition-based and I think deuterium should be taxed in food just like chips and sugars. It should be written on your food. With Esther, we are writing a cookbook which is the Low Hydrogen Low Deuterium Kitchen meaning that all food items are positioned as far as deuterium load.

It should be in that scenario meaning that you really have to watch out for it and you have to find ways of practically knowledge and your own biochemistry equations and information that actually determines what you put in your mouth and what you make into metabolic water in your mitochondria because that that’s where your health is really.

Chad and László, I want to highlight your website in more detail, I want to spell it out for the readers and I have a couple more questions. This is fascinating information. However, nature calls, maybe because I drink too much water. This is now 1:17. I’m going to go for a minute, I’ll be right back because I don’t want to end it yet just because I have to go.

Okay. I’ll be here.

Effect Of Sunlight Exposure On Mitochondria

Okay, so before I go deeper into the last point that we talked about, we have people reading this show. Your website sounds like a tremendous resource to go and see the deuterium content of so many foods. It’s LaszloGBoros.com, yes?

Yes, www.LaszloGBoros.com.

We should write a book about all of this. Now I want to take it to you we talked about drinking deuterium depleted water. Now buying those 5 ppm or 10 ppm bottles is expensive, but as you as you highlighted, you only need to use a tiny amount and then you put the regular filtered or whatever water that you put and that’s going to dilute it to the right amount.

That expensive bottle of the 10 ppm can last you a month, so now it’s not that expensive if you want to use it. I want to talk about the effect of the sunlight. Somebody living in in Costa Rica or in Ecuador, now they get a very strong photon energy from the sun. That undoubtedly has an effect on the operation of the mitochondria. Are they more in a position to eat the fruit that grow there actually, mango and pineapple and all those tropical fruit, laden with sweetness, but maybe the exposure of the sun helps mitigate it. What do you say to all of that?

Yeah, so sunlight or light in general, or electromagnetic energy just to use the broadest term here, and certain wavelengths of it, especially in the red and infrared range, are able to excite or communicate energy with this oxygen-hydrogen bond that we are talking about here. For that matter the oxygen-deuterium bond.

In case your body is more overloaded with deuterium your food, since this light can use this bond these bonds to communicate energy with your digestive, with your microbiome, with your mitochondrial systems, you are you may be able to get rid of or more efficiently to deplete deuterium in and from your food even though if it’s high in deuterium.

You are perfectly right, when you’re in Costa Rica when you are exposed to a higher photon pressure, longer light exposure and because of the temperatures you’re outside almost the whole day and actually these light can penetrate through your clothes, your skin, and can then penetrate deep in your body, the viscosity of your metabolic water in your mitochondria is also decreased by this light exposure. It actually helps you to operate certain biochemical processes even in a higher deuterium environment.

Light is just as important as anything else in your life cycle. Don’t make a mistake, I’m not walking with my dog two and a half hours because I like to be outside in the cold, it’s because I need natural light. It’s just that simple. You have to eat local and that’s true with the Costa Ricans and also true with us and also true with the Swedish people. Your local fruit, your local food, and your local habitat has to be processed in your physiology or in your digestive system the right way meaning that with the appropriate light exposure and the time that you spend outside.

Also the preparation methods and also the type of food that you eat has to be local simply because your fruits contain deuterium based on the light exposure and the photon pressure and the temperatures and so on. Your mitochondria system is cut out based on the light exposure to the environmental deuterium that is available in your food. You cannot ship in mango from Costa Rica and eat it in Stockholm simply because your physiology, your resonance, your energy balance, your electromagnetic light exposure is really not cut out for that deuterium load for the deuterium exposure in your food. It’s a very good question, it’s practically a very critical part of this whole story.

We actually can see the spectrum so to speak, you live on the equator and you are eating all the tropical fruit that grow around you like you said, local. You go to the North Pole and the Inuits eat only fat and meat. Some people would say, “What about Vitamin C?” it turns out the Inuits know there are glands in the bodies of the animals. If they eat those glands, they get the Vitamin C. They just know it. Here’s a question that somebody would say to you. “If I eat a carnivore diet with all the fat, what about Vitamin C?” I mean that’s only one example of what people could say.

If you go back in history in science history, you know who discovered Vitamin C?

Fleming?

No, it’s Albert Szent-Györgyi. Fleming discovered penicillin. Vitamin C was discovered by Albert Szent-Györgyi. Do you know where he isolated it from? People would say paprika. No. He isolated a lot of it from paprika, kilograms and kilograms on paprika, but first he isolated it from suprarenal gland of rats. Meaning that Vitamin C. The most abundant source of digestible low deuterium, Vitamin C is in the liver and in the interiors and in the organs of grass-fed animals.

Every vitamin that your body needs, water soluble and fat soluble vitamins, A, D, E, and K vitamins, those are plentiful in interiors, liver, kidneys, hearts, tongues, and what like Inuits eat. They have no vegetables in their diet. Actually, they eat raw meat for that matter. And they are actually the healthiest. They used to be the healthiest people on this planet under the most I would say harsh temperature, light conditions were not optimal for that.

With their food, they were able to survive long and healthy simply because once they started eating processed food nowadays, they are just as sick as the general American population. It’s all nutrition-based because you start loading deuterium into a habitat, a human habitat, which is because of their geographical and light exposure they are actually used to a much lower deuterium exposure and from different and more ketogenic, more fat-based diet, and not plant-based.

They don’t even know what plants are simply or vegetables are because they don’t have any. Sure enough they get sick. They get actually very sick. Those are actually the most obese people that you can you can see. For that matter this is and it’s a very clear argument that you have to eat local, you have to be seasonal, and you have to be outside for that and these are the bottom lines, the basic rules.

Eating Local, Hydrogen Supplementation, Fasting, And Sweat

Actually I talked with a social media friend and I told her I was going to talk to you and she said, “Listen, people’s attention spans are so low, ask him for five points that people should take away.” You just said three points. Can you give us maybe five points because you know, apparently that’s what people like to read.

Yeah, so geographically you are local, you eat local, you stay local, and you interact with locals and you are aware of your water that you produce, it has to be deuterium depleted and you are a carnivore meaning that you have to eat grass-fed animal source ketones and with some natural berries and what local habitat provides for you.

It’s not a department store scenario, the bigger the basket is, more you’re better off because you actually get more and more sick if you don’t eat what you’re supposed to eat and that’s practically just a deuterium and mitochondria and proton and water based very simple system. You have to be aware of these players and you have to be aware of the protium or proton hydrogen deuterium ratios that you eat because your life, your health, and quality of life depends on it. For that, I mean, you just have to be aware of these very simple things.

What do you think of hydrogen supplementation?

Yeah, just stay away from it. Listen, you need nothing else but what we talked about. You cannot supplement health with anything other than the right food, the right light exposure, the light local habitat, you cannot really replace any of that with either artificial artifactual remedies which are actually just big business. It’s not your business.

Hydrogen water, the tablets that people put in water, etc.?

I wouldn’t consume those for my own health and if you ask me I would tell you not to mess with it. I’m not going to go to you and start talking about this unless you have questions regarding and I’ll tell you why you shouldn’t because you don’t know the deuterium protium ratio of what you generate with those methods. As long as that’s not clear to you what you’re consuming as far as protium and deuterium ratios, don’t put it in your mouth.

What do you think of fasting?

I fast every 24 hours meaning that we only eat dinner. We don’t we don’t eat during the day. Sleep is very important because that’s when you deplete deuterium, that’s how you get into ketosis because you don’t eat 10 to 12 hours and that’s sleep is for, to deplete deuterium. You are in ketosis in the morning and that’s how it should be so you eat in the evening and that’s practically grass-fed stuff.

To my left here, this is a meat ager. This is where we eat. Yeah, that’s where we age our meat. It’s all grass-fed. Simply we eat that piece of meat in the evening and that cuts it. Coffee in the morning is just because I have to start my day with this ritual and I like coffee, a glass. Maybe two deciliters, if it’s a long coffee, but usually it’s in that range and I’m not eating or drinking anything for the rest of the day until the evening and fasting is what induces this metabolic ketosis and that’s a deuterium depleting process as well.

In my view, you shouldn’t be fasting more than a day. You shouldn’t do a lot of things that like people do these days. You don’t need to go to gym if you walk I would say reasonable distance. We live on the seventh floor, I don’t use elevator. I just go up and down 4 or 5 times a day, 2 steps at a time and two and a half hours, I do 31 push-ups in the morning. A little exercise is part of it.

Fasting is part of it, being thirsty is a little bit like appropriate to limit your deuterium intake. Everything that limits this deuterium intake in any form would be beneficial in my view, simply because you don’t have to overeat, you don’t have to overdrink, you don’t have to overexercise, and you don’t have to do things over unless really there is a need for it. You have to run, you have to work, you have to do some gardening.

It’s actually useful as far as physical activity.Do it outside, do it barefoot, do it under light exposure, and maybe you produce your own meat by just cutting up a big water buffalo stomach just like I did. It took me two days. It’s part of life to be a fasting but working yet when it’s time and you prepare the right food then have a comfortable meal. That’s all.

When you sweat, is the water that you put out through your sweat deuterium depleted?

It’s actually deuterium rich or it’s not as low in deuterium as like your matrix water because it gets diluted from your food and from your drinks. Actually, Light Water, Viktor Sagalovsky and Gabor Somlyai they measure your breath deuterium and also measure your sweat, your urine, saliva, and those are usually 10, 15, in good cases 15 ppm lower than environmental water or the water that you drink. That’s like a good target range and it’s usually lower simply because metabolic water, matrix water dilutes into it from the other low end. It’s always lower than your highest deuterium environmental water exposure.

Going in a sauna which causes you to sweat, how would that play into this picture that we are talking about?

Yeah, actually there is a study measuring deuterium content of sweat and it really depends on what you drink. After like 25-30 minutes, like two cycles of these sauna, your water start to look more like what you just consumed and that’s in equilibrium with your circulation and your water absorption. If you don’t drink water before you go in a sauna, it going to stay low, meaning that you do your own metabolic water expiring. It’s actually very close to what you drink and you’ve been drinking the hours before you went into the sauna. It’s actually a very active deuterium disposal process.

Discussion Wrap-up And Closing Words

László, there is so much I want to ask from going into the detail of what happens inside the electron transport chain and reactive oxygen species and many things. I’m not going to go there. I think you have given us a tremendous amount of information. I want to thank you for being so generous with your time and hopefully we’ll talk again in the future. Once again, László’s website is LaszloGBoros.com. I want to really thank you for your time, I hope to see you in the future. Thanks for being here with us today.

Sure. Thank you. Is it a Fender Telecaster behind you?

Well, actually it’s a Stratocaster. What I play most of my stuff with, even though it’s not as expensive a guitar, is this SG.

Yeah, that’s a Gibson.

Yeah, a Gibson rather, SG.

Yeah, but I’m talking about the one in front of the fireplace, that’s a Fender.

Yeah, that’s a Strat.

I play the drums.

Thank you so much, and very nice to meet you.

Thank you so much. Talk to you soon.

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About Prof. Dr. Boros László

Prof. Dr. Boros László, M.D., Retired Professor of Pediatrics University of California Los Angeles School of Medicine, Harbor-UCLA Medical Center is a global expert on the impact of deuterium on human health. He researches and publishes on the various effects of heavy hydrogen and its relationship to cancer and various metabolic conditions from a quantum mechanical as well as biochemical perspective.